Just thought that I should point this out, that the person that wrote this at the top is missing out on something; not to be mean, but Goku isn't a human. His mind is tainted by the envy he has for Goku, and without a pure-heart, there's only so far he can push his limits. Using the Dance technique Goten and Trunks fuse at their base levels and become Gotenks, who then becomes a SS1 and then , skipping 2, a SS3. While GT is no longer canon to the main franchise, Vegeta would similarly skip Super Saiyan 3 in the actually canon Dragon Ball Super. ", "Both the Daizenshuu and the new Super Exciting Guide character profiles state that Vegeta was awakened to his Super Saiyan 2 form by means of extensive training in between the Cell and Buu arcs, which assures that Vegeta did indeed achieve this transformation through training." In the heavens you have a limitless amount of energy, and it helps one get stronger than on a planet. He knew this would happen." Report. (with the exception of Broly Ssj5vegeta 00:03, February 3, 2010 (UTC). So yeah, I think Vegeta CAN transform into SSJ3 easily, at least by the end of GT saga. It consumes way to much power be practical in fighting(it would only be useful in a split-second, life-or-death situation). or like we're talking about now, "Can a SS2 be stronger than a SS3?". The reason he never did because it difficult to hold such power that his body can't handle. If the fans in Japan didn't like an idea, Toriyama would bend over backwards just to fix it to the fans desires. could goku even had accended without dying????? he did in a movie but never agin, Not the same person! he even accended to ussj with trunks in the htc. vegeta did not even break a sweat against him, so going super saiyan wud of been a total waste. I may not be a huge Vegeta fan, but I believe it's possible, or maybe he just didn't WANT to. All the latest gaming news, game reviews and trailers. Super Saiyan 3 (超 サイヤ人 三, Chō Saiya-jin San) is the strongest of all Super Saiyan forms in the manga and Dragon Ball Z anime. Find GIFs with the latest and newest hashtags! We all know that new SSJ forms are difficult to transform/control at first, but after some training it turns easier. Throughout the Dragon Ball series, Vegeta has managed to keep up with the escalating Super Saiyan transformations of his longtime frenemy and rival, Goku. In conclusion SSJ3 is ALWAYS stronger than SSJ2 with 2 people of similiar power levels. Thus it would be quite difficult for Vegeta to achieve SSJ3, even if he had more than enough power. Yes, but the SSJ3 Saiyan would have been at least 4x weaker than the SSJ2 Saiyan in his base form and it wouldn't be a fair comparision. Honour Gene's can go SSJ3. When in the otherworld Goku had almost limitless energy due to not having the strain of a living body. Oh and SSJ Gohan wasn't trying agisnt Cell, though Cell was only at 16% Max power. Vegeta did probably not acheive this form because had no body when dead. Proof of Goku being better is aginst Kid Buu, SSJ2 Vegeta got destroyed while SSJ2 Goku was holding his own, although Kid Buu was likely just playing around, Goku still did better. Although Buu may have not been using his full power. Before returning to the afterlife, Goku taught Trunks and Goten to draw on the energy created by their Super Saiyan fusion to transform, making it an exceptional case. And btw, just because he says to Goku that he will not be obsessed with trying to be stronger than Goku anymore and/or because Goku isnt such present anymore doesnt mean that Vegeta stopped training, neither that he take it easier one training, after all he still is Vegeta, the proud Prince of the Sayans. When Goku reached ASSJ/USSJ1 and then USSJ/USSJ2 he realised that bulking up and forcing his power to increase isn't the best way to increase power level. yo goku cheats his way to get dtrong vegta doesent vegeta stronger. In fact, during their rematch, while Goku was back on Earth, he was visibly upset that Goku had kept the form a secret from him. Vegeta has always been promoted as being a genius fighter, including by Beerus himself. It even states on the USSJ page that Vegeta's tactical mindset led him to avoid using USSJ, as did Goku. the series was alright but, poit is, vegeta could have reached ss3 because, as said in "GT" a saiyan's true form is a ssj4, so ssj3 could have been reached by vegeta :) also to correct a few people above about gotenks . Both Goku and Gotenks achieved SSJ3 through supernatural means. Cell, the Androids, and Buu were mulitple time stronger then Frieza and he had to get stronger to beat them. Also, I heard somewhere that Akira Toriyama didn't do it because he started to dislike Vegeta, but I don't know if that's true. Ssj5vegeta 20:12, September 3, 2009 (UTC), I think the only reason Goku was able to generate that much energy in the first place was because he died. 1:11. But when he started to care about others again, that slowed down his progress again. He knows the drawbacks that a SSJ3 form brings, so maybe on the few times that he really fought for real, he maybe, realize that SSJ3 was not better than SSJ2 (taking into consideration that the enemy is stronger than the SSJ3 form and its drawbacks)? 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Vegeta is as strong as Goku in Base (or they wouldn't be able to fuse), so it's not that he's too weak to handle SSJ3. and goku and vegeta were almost equal all threw out. 20:03, April 6, 2010 (UTC), yes they did fight while vegeta was in his majin form. The Dragon Team now realize that the heart virus that Future Trunks warned him about is attacking him. That being said while watching him fight goku says that Dabura is tougher then he thought due to the magic. Actually, Super Saiyan 3 is different from the other Super Saiyan transformations due to the fact that the only thing needed is to use one's full energy, ki, power and potential to reach it. Even if he did, he did not have the time to attempt to learn it before King Yemma brought him back to fight Buu. releasing hatred,anger,revenge.which are traits that can helped all the saiyans accend. In the game Dragon Ball Heroes Future Trunks, Future Gohan and Gogeta also get a Super Saiyan 3 form (They also never achieved this). The reasons to why he didnt transform are various, so I dont need to quote them here; but this includes the fact that he didnt need it, that producers forgot or never though about it, or even if in the cirscunstances the SSJ2 form was always a better choice. Though this cut into the time they had (either on Earth or to stay fused), they both had something that Vegeta did not. The first to turn into SSJ3 was Goku in episode 245 thanks to a hard training in the Other World. Goku, during all his traning is light years ahead of Vegeta because he was not able to train when he died, and also that he didn't have the training conditions like Goku did. So what is the problem with his SSJ3 form then? Ashley Miles. there was no circumstance before this time dat wud cause vegeta to use dis form as the show skipped 7 years on after cell games. RELATED: Dragon Ball Z: The Anime's 10 Most Hated Characters, Ranked Due to that limitation, I believe that Vegeta could reach Super Saiyan 3, albeit with a minimal chance of sucess of doing it... Vegeta - San Talk Contrib 18:42, April 6, 2010 (UTC), @SSJ4Lewich. A one-stop shop for all things video games. Mystic is anything but about x100,000. Second Goku says Daburas around Cells level, Hes probally referring to the last Cell hes seen aka Perfect Cell not super perfect Cell. Goku acheived it because he was dead and DID have his body. SSJ2/Base Form are worse in balance. Like most Saiyans, he possesses defined eyes with a near-consistently stern look to them and his hair is a shade of black. When Baby took control over Vegeta their power levels got combined in a way so Baby Vegeta is as strong as SSJ, Super Baby SSJ2, Super Baby 2 SSJ3 so Vegeta has actually reached the power of Super Saiyan 3 just like when Ginyu took over Goku's body Baby didnt know how to properly use Vegeta's powers he just transform into i guess you could call it Super Tuffle. Marvinhrlm20. Meanwhile, Super Saiyan God and Super Saiyan Blue evidently do not. It is some sort of supernatural quality that Goku and Gotenks shared in being either dead or fused (a connection underlined by the commonality that it cost both SSJ3s time to sustain the form). Dance: Old Kai states flat out that dance creates a stronger fusion than the earings. Normally more powerful than SS2. Actually the whole Super Saiyan 'level' thing gets kind of confusing really. Puis en juin 2012 c’est au tour de Gogeta de devenir un Super Saiyan 3. Personally i think DBGT completely sucked ! Do you plan on showing off and toying with your opponent? It produces a ton of strain and is, to put it simply, an unbalanced form. Vegeta can reach it with enough drive and training he could do it Also people keep bringing up DBGT, I'm sorry but you can not include anything from GT since it was made and written by someone else and was made for no other reason than to pull more money in from the DB franchise. Playing next. And when Vegeta was alive he probably did train but did not obtain the SSj3 form due to the strain of a living body. If he had the same point as increaseing and training himself as Goku, i believe his powers would have grown ............................. falalalallalalalalallalalalalalalalala the writer of GT should have thought about what he was doing .. why does Gero look like Myuu, why does the Sigma Force have poses like Ginyu Force, why did Vegeta lose his natural hair ? Le Super Saiyan 3 est largement supérieur au Super Saiyan 2en termes de puissance, de rap… he was only elping telepathically. Playing next. The comparison between Dabura and Cell is a comparison between Dabura and Super Perfect Cell. ", the short answer is no. Of course Buu-Saga-Base-Form Goku would beat Frieza-Saga-SSJ1 Goku, that's just plain obvious. Vegeta Finally Ascends Into A Super Saiyan 4 For The First Time. But vegeta does soon get a pure heart because he helped goku go SSj god and you need a pure heart to do that. its really just about the fact that goku trained more,yes he is stronger than vegeta but that DOES NOT mean he doesnt have the potential to reach ssj3. 2. He understood that it was extremely powerful, yet it had serious drawbacks. In Dragon Ball Super, Vegeta made his thoughts on Super Saiyan 3 crystal clear.The Prince of All Saiyans might have been frustrated when he first saw Goku achieve the transformation during Dragon Ball Z's Majin Buu Saga, but he eventually dismissed SSJ3 as a waste of energy and opted to focus on perfecting Super Saiyan 2 instead. In other words, it's a full-powered Saiyan in its maximum potential, that's why it was easier for Goku to achieve and maintain Super Saiyan 3 while in Other World. Majin Buu against Goku was only at 40% of his Max though. It is possible to make your base form or SSJ lower than 3 to be stronger than SSJ3 or 4 according to Akira Toriyama. Browse more videos. Vegetta did accomplished his SSJ3 form but it's never shown at the anime....there's an existing databook about their power levels and it is shown that both of them reached SSJ4 although Vegetta can only achieve it via Blitz Wave....a saiyan can't possibly become SSJ4 without enough power level >.> so if I were you peepz we should all just accept the fact that Goku and Vegetta are even in terms of power.. Goku only manage to transform to his SSJ4 form bec. But maybe a few days of training, since is probably the most difficult transformation to control and mantain. Gotenks Becomes Super Saiyan 3 For The First Time. Of course, Gohan didn't constantly train like Goku and Vegeta, so his power level could have decreased, but I'm not sure if that's a thing. What's the point of achieving it of training to achieve it if you simply don't want to achieve it? Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Big Bang Mission!!! Après, il régressera à son stade initial, et sera parcouru par une puissante fatigue. Well that's just wrong, it would be a lot harder to achieve in the real world yes but all it really means is that Vegeta would have to train a lot harder harder than he ever has before. He noticed the limitations/drawbacks. Other than that...they are more than capable, ESPECIALLY Vegeta. character profiles state that Vegeta was awakened to his Super Saiyan 2 form by means of extensive training in between the Cell and Buu arcs, which assures that Vegeta did indeed achieve this transformation through training.". Then SSJ3 is the better option. Lady’s Gigantification Quirk, Netflix's The Idhun Chronicles is Basically a Kylo Ren & Rey Love Story, One-Punch Man Reveals Tornado's Relationship to Blast. The rest of the series is vegeta trying to kill everyone by himself even though everyone says don't try it. Vegeta would never be seen attaining Super Saiyan 3 in subsequent Dragon Ball series, instead finding ways to skip Super Saiyan 3 entirely. Vegeta with his whole experience, cant? (P.S. When Gohan went Super Saiyan 2 in the tournament, Vegeta commented on how this form was weaker than when he fought Cell, and Gohan was only in Super Saiyan 1 at that point. had he faced dabura, then dat wud of been a great oppurtunity. At the end of DBZ when Goku says that theres someone strong Bulma even says that Goku and Vegeta are the strongest and that no one can even challenge them. Secondly I want to say vegeta might have been able to if he the training goku had but he didn't. Remember after the seven years of peace after Cell died? SSJ3 is IMO a forced increase in power "after attainment of SSJ2". babidi did unlock sum of vegeta's 'evil' potential but it was not ss2. Yes, he needs the blutz machine, but its mainly to grown his tail back and to use it as a substitute to the moon (or other celestial corpse that emits blutz waves), because sayajins needs blutz waves to transform into the great ape, which is necessary to achieve the SSJ4. Saying "Base Form Vegito is stronger than SSJ1 Frieza Saga Goku" is an absolutley idiotic comparision. Sadly, Vegeta was unable to replicate it, and in the Dragon Ball Super Series, the prince of Saiyans was seen moving from stage 2 to Super Saiyan God and then Blue without passing by the third stage. Vegeta could acheive it possibly if he was dead and had his body. I think vegeta could go to a super saiyan 3. Like others have said, Goku went SSJ2 and 3 while he was dead, in reality, it should've have taken him much longer. After the Buu saga Gohan had made a considerable gap between himself and Goku and an even larger gap with Vegeta. of matching gokus ssj3.hes always been able to match him before why not now? I've also heard debate the Super Majin Vegeta is essentially his equivalent of Super Saiyan 3, since he goes into Second Stage and then gets a power boost. A lot of people on here don't think Vegeta can reach SSJ3 all because Goku did it in the otherworld which makes it impossible in the real world. i dont think so vegeta fought to kill but goku fought to push his own limits so i dont think vegeta would be able to turn ssj3. Goku had a hard time with this transformation. He was not powerful enough to defeat a kamehameha from "Mystic" Gohan SS goten and SS2 (dead body) Goku. Ultimately this is all a debate and just a matter of opinion, (im a diff guy)I agree, Vegita could, but we all seem to be forgeting something. that brougt his strength up. mean know that goku could change in to a ssj3 he was still ready to fight him mean sometime in those 14 years vegeta went ssj3 but never had the change to use it and he also say you're training ubb to be earth next portecter but you have a diffent movtive. Also this is just a theory but Vegeta probally picked up on how Goku fights harder when hes angry or hes fighting a villain that only he can beat aka Freiza/Saiyan saga Vegeta/etc. Well, remember that Goku says that SSJ3 is Technically impossible. He deals out alright damage in the 1st and 3rd fight due to type advantage. Vegeta just wanted to be able to fight Goku and this was in his mind the best way to do it plus he wanted to fight without any inhibitations. and like every one said goku only was able to go ssj3 because his time in other world and check this out every time vegeta die he never got to keep his body.99.43.172.149 13:53, August 25, 2011 (UTC) BY vegeta jr, I just want to point out that Goku DID see Cell in his Super Perfect Form... Father-Son Kamehameha ring a bell? And btw, he did ask to Goten on one of the first DBGT episodes if he did take easy on the training with a reproval tone, or better, a Vegeta tone xD, so I dont think he will be that hypocrite. Another thing that has been observed throughout the series is that it is much harder to transform the first time the transformation is used. To have attained SSJ3, Goku would've had to master SSJ3 and reach it's peak. So yeah he can do it. after the fight wen vegeta yells at gohan for not finishing dabura off, gohan himself states dat if vegeta fought dabura, then vegeta wud of beaten him. Report. His pure-hearted intentions are what drive him to push his limits and the limits of his Super Saiyan powers to new levels. Toriyama must not have had much interest in making Vegeta SS3 because that would sort of take the wind away from Goku, where this is a series where Goku is the hero, Goku is in the spotlight. He was in Otherworld for the 7 years after Cell and learned SSJ3, then he trained even more so he could use it with a body. This is why I believe Goku used his SSJ form to battle Bills after SSJG form's time ran out. i would assume one of the main reasons Vegeta never went to SS3 is cause of the "10 years of Peace" or "Modest living" after Buu. Akira Toriyama stated in the Saikyō Jump's June 2014 interview that Super Saiyan 2 and 3 are nothing more than powered up variants of Super Saiyan and that mastering Super Saiyan could increase its power beyond that of Super Saiyan 2 and 3 while draining less energy.This form of Super Saiyan is achievable by a Saiyan who has already obtained the Super Saiyan 2 form and then trains intensely. Here are some examples: So that shows that Vegeta only transformed once with the help of others, doesn't have a pure enough heart to transform, only got powerful enough to access the other forms with the boost from past transformations(that he didn't even attain himself) so he probably isn't powerful enough to do so, and he has too much pride to to ask for Goku's help in attaining it. but either way, wen they mentioned dabura was equal to cell, they were not scared of him meaning dat they had grown WAY stronger than him in the past 7 years. Perhaps vegeta should fight someone stronger than him but treat it as if fighting a real life enemy, the fight stops only when vegeta is near death or until he is able to transform, either way when he recovers he should be much stronger than before and eventually be strong enough to force the transformation. During the fight against Kid Buu, Vegeta also saw that Goku's living body couldn't handle the strain (literally leaving him with little to no ki), so he chose not to go SSJ3 (even though it would've helped a bit) because of this. One can say the same with vegeta. Either Vegeta could do it and he didn't want to, or he simply couldn't. ssj3 isnt one of the ssj 4 requirements, If a fusion of two half-Saiyans can reach Super Saiyan 3, then I believe Vegeta, an Elite who is a pure blooded Saiyan, can also reach it. I just think its a plothole.—This unsigned comment was made by SonJohn (talk • contribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time! Report. It was in the Dragon Ball Z Buu Saga that we first ever saw the Super Saiyan 3 transformation. now if u go to think of it, had he of trained harder like goku, then by the end of Z or the start of GT, he wud definatley of become a ss3.TheDarkPrinceReturns! Vegeta is a smart fighter, maybe the smartest between all the Z-Fighters. 2. Covering the hottest movie and TV topics that fans want. Pierre Lea. The producers just forgot to put him? and how would Pilaf know about them ? if babidi gave vegeta the ability to use ss2 form, then goku wud not state dat.TheDarkPrinceReturns! Report. Meaning vegeta was prepare to fight goku but never got change because all they fight in the past ended in a draw. Therefore, there are several issues with Vegeta turning SSJ3, though one is considerably more speculative. Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Dark Demon Realm Mission! They only see Goku transform to SSJ3 once and on a space of a few weeks, the 2 kids manage to transform to SSJ3 form. Besides, him seeing Goku go SSJ3 won't get him mad and turn SSJ3 himself, because he would have to train more to do it (SSJ3 doesn't come through intense anger like the previous two transformations). also, as Vegeta-San stated, daizenshu states dat vegeta reached the form thru harsh training meaning dat it is official. Seeing as how the pure-blooded Saiyans have more troube with transformations than the hybrids do for whatever reason, it makes sense Vegeta just wasn't able to do it because of the fact that he trained on Earth. Vegeta will never be able to go into 3 because he is not nearly as strong in power determination and his pride makes him weak. Since Vegeta was able to control and maintain the SSJ4 form (this on DBGT ofc), this mean that he had A LOT of Ki.. he also beat Baby/Gohan (Gohan been more powerful than a SSJ3 Goku back in DBZ). Is the battle intended to be quick? I know that wasn't in the manga but :S Ultra Buugetto (talk) 15:07, June 30, 2013 (UTC), Vegeta could? so to me there is no cear cut winner. I believe the levels of Super Saiyans make a Saiyan stronger, but I also believe that the previous forms can be improved upon and become more developed. Be able to if he trained hard enough him as Cell ' 2020 ) stronger then Frieza and eats... 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